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Straight arm recovery

Post by cottmiler on Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:23 am

Some tid bits of interest here from our old friend Dr Havriluk.

http://www.chicagobluedolphins.com/article-freestyle-straight-arm-recovery/

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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by cottmiler on Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:02 am

Cottmiler has serious problems here attempting straight arm technique just two weeks ago.

How does a coach find words that will cure the horrible zig-zagging?

The problem is that cottmiler feels that the swim is OK but different to a bent arm recovery/entry. What we think we are doing and what we are actually doing are worlds apart. Video or expert coach feed back are essential.

The light maybe dawned after viewing the Swim Therapy Endless Pool video on head position and how it steers the body left and right.

Cottmiler is urgently working on this problem while Mrs Cott,s video expertise is available over the next two weeks here in Perth.


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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by cottmiler on Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:10 am

Here is a Paul Newsome drill from a while ago on straight arms:

https://youtu.be/FvUSbhw_pCA

The swimmer has a straighter right arm than left but her head is dead centre down the pool.

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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by s.sciame on Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:40 pm

cottmiler wrote:Some tid bits of interest here from our old friend Dr Havriluk.

http://www.chicagobluedolphins.com/article-freestyle-straight-arm-recovery/

I like this:

Havriluk argues that the improvement of speed with the straight arm recovery is due more to what’s going on underwater than what’s going above water. Forcing a straight arm recovery keeps the swimmer from pulling the elbow upward and out of the water too soon — what we like to call “short stroking.” To get a straight arm recovery, you need to completely finish your stroke and keep the forearm deeper and moving backward through the finish of the stroke.

It really applies to my stroke. However I find a straight arm recovery comfortable enough and natural only at fastish rates (above 70SPM), which I still can't sustain over long distances. At cruising stroke rates (60-65SPM) the straight arm feels too heavy and uncomfortable, and a bent arm recovery feels better. This should be one more reason to develop stroke rate.

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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by s.sciame on Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:02 pm

Another pro of the straight arm recovery: it really promotes leading recovery with elbow. With a classic high elbow recovery, you start leading with the elbow and then reach a point when the hand takes the lead (ie the hand is ahead of elbow). This is ok as long as this point doesn't come too early: from a side view the upper arm should look vertical when the hand takes the lead. And from that point to the end of recovery you should also feel a healthy stretch of the lat. But sometimes the hand takes the lead too early, the lat doesn't stretch enough and this becomes a hand lead recovery which carries zero momentum.

With a straight arm recovery you can't go wrong: if the arm is straight, from a side view you'll never see the hand ahead of elbow before the upper arm looks vertical. The lat will always stretch enough and the arm will always carry some momentum.


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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by cottmiler on Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:19 am

Some of us have seen this before but I like the clip of straight arm Laure Manadou and also the Flee drill. Reference to two beat kick thrust.


https://swimcoachingblog.com/2013/03/12/frontcrawl-timing-pt-1-arms-and-legs/

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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by s.sciame on Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:50 pm

Some nice front views of one of my favourite straight arm freestyles:

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rCga-UiIjSA

Also note how still is her head and the absence of an extreme high elbow catch.


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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by cottmiler on Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:01 pm

It,s richard quick,s girl whose name escapes me.

SA will put us right.

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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by SA on Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:10 pm

ha ha, let me guess ...Shelly Ripple....?

from 34m 15. Sato straight arm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAzYr4MUwGg

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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by cottmiler on Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:48 am

May i remind us of the thread "Bill Boomer Video No. 2" on the SwimSmooth forum?

It now looks to me as though Shelley Ripple has done a lot of time doing one arm stroke with a big distance per stroke under water.


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Re: Straight arm recovery

Post by nightcrawler on Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:33 pm

She started with 12 SPL then reached to 14-15 at the end of the freestyle session.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb1Supmb2TQ
I think this is her artificial stroke, the technique seems not robust enough(efficiency is quickly changing when the stroke rate changes), or she was not paying attention on the SPL. A robust stroke is the natural stroke coded in our DNA's, robust stroke should have the same SPL although the SR changes. Analogy: A car's wheels are not slipping or spinning when the speed increases.

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