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Post by cottmiler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:32 pm

Is hand entry and underwater arm action different for polo compared to normal stroke?

Yes/No answers please.

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by nightcrawler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:47 pm

I love your being obsessive! Very Happy

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by Mike A on Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:42 pm

I don't know if it *should* be, but it is when I do it! It's pretty much inevitable because of the different angle at the shoulder when the arm enters the water (on account of the upper trunk being less horizontal).
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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by nightcrawler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:22 pm

cottmiler wrote:Is hand entry and underwater arm action different for polo compared to normal stroke?

Yes/No answers please.
I have the same hand entry and pulling actions (No)


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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by SA on Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:21 pm

yes

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by SA on Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:34 am

spent some time on youtube looking for waterpolo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZbdiuUu0S8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMwxcHc58Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfLIMG-xo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tx9ggmIYuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgYOgSiiMXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVH4TVNDLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkt58cloKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROL7CgFa6Fg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IwNlAMr9dE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4Wj4VffPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7khwi2aEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcnf9jD2Lyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRto5xqj68k

conclusion: there are many differnt ways to swim waterpolo.
some have lot of extension and swim like normal freestyle, some have the real waterpolo short stroke for holding the ball between the arms.
You are pressing about 4 kg of extra water down compared to normal freestyle, so in that detailed sense, they are not comparable.

Found this short stroke version of elite level arm mechanics interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7khwi2aEg
hardly any differnce with the normal swimming.
Dont know if that also applies to Sun Yangs style Smile


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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by cottmiler on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:12 am

The last but one video of your post SA is One Arm Polo. It is not good enough to only do two arm polo.

I was doing one arm polo the other day because the left arm was deficient.

Lack of muscle in that arm compared to the right arm. It needs correcting.


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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by s.sciame on Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:11 pm

Matt Giles waterpolo stroke is wonderful!

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by cottmiler on Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:15 am

It looks like no one else is interested in the difference between heads up and normal stroke.

This video, for what it,s worth says you do the same! Nightcrawler got there first.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_QSK8hpE4

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by nightcrawler on Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:33 pm

I have the same stroke mechanics but just my cadance(also as in the above videos) is higher while doing water polo(tarzan) drill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW-kK5EsSwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5q7ApWJFIk

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by Mike A Yesterday at 9:56 am

Question: if you feel your pull is exactly the same doing water polo drill as swimming normal freestyle, are you saying your trunk is in the same position?

I suppose ideally, we would like the only difference to be our head/neck, with the rest of the torso as it is for normal freestyle - but for me, I think raising the head does lower the hips and take the trunk as a whole slightly out of the horizontal plane. This means my shoulder articulation is different when the hand enters. I think also the "head up" position tends to reduce body rotation - and the arm recovery becomes more "swinger" style.
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Post by nightcrawler Yesterday at 2:05 pm

Mike A wrote:Question: if you feel your pull is exactly the same doing water polo drill as swimming normal freestyle, are you saying your trunk is in the same position?
Almost the same.

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Re: Arm Action doing Heads Up/Polo

Post by SA Today at 12:00 am

It depends on your normal stroke.
If that one is very long, swimming like Mat Giles feels pretty different.
Marleen Veldhuis started as a water polo player before becoming 50-200 m sprinter. She said it took some time to change from her little short waterpolo stroke to a standard competetive swimstroke.
For a high rev open water swimmer the difference is smaller.
If you only look at with of entry and having high elbows, yeah, they are about the same.

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