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Post by SA on Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:07 am

Hard to tell, they all look like this Wink

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:46 am

SA wrote:Hard to tell, they all look like this  Wink
Happy to say that I am not on a diet, eating whenever and whatever want Smile

I am from İzmir, which is also called the pearl of Turkey, located nearby the Aegean Sea, I got used to Mediterranean and Aegean food, which is also very similar to Greek food.

We have very delicious fish, fresh vegetables and salads, desserts and also kebaps, we also have very delicious regional tastes, especially in the city Gaziantep you may find almost all the delights.

Turkish cuisine is largely the continuation of Ottoman cuisine, which in turn borrowed many elements from Central Asian, Caucasian, Jewish, Middle Eastern, Greek and Balkan cuisines. Turkish cuisine has in turn influenced those and other neighbouring cuisines, including those of Central and Western Europe. The Ottomans fused various culinary traditions of their realm with influences from Levantine cuisines, along with traditional Turkish elements from Central Asia (such as yogurt and mantı), creating a vast array of specialities—many with strong regional associations.

Turkish cuisine varies across the country. The cooking of Istanbul, Bursa, Izmir, and rest of the Aegean region inherits many elements of Ottoman court cuisine, with a lighter use of spices, a preference for rice over bulgur, koftes and a wider availability of vegetable stews (türlü), eggplant, stuffed dolmas and fish. The cuisine of the Black Sea Region uses fish extensively, especially the Black Sea anchovy (hamsi) and includes maize dishes. The cuisine of the southeast (e.g. Urfa, Gaziantep, and Adana) is famous for its variety of kebabs, mezes and dough-based desserts such as baklava, şöbiyet, kadayıf, and künefe.

Especially in the western parts of Turkey, where olive trees grow abundantly, olive oil is the major type of oil used for cooking. The cuisines of the Aegean, Marmara and Mediterranean regions are rich in vegetables, herbs, and fish. Central Anatolia has many famous specialties, such as keşkek, mantı (especially from Kayseri) and gözleme. Dishes directly cognate with mantı are found also in Chinese (mantou) and Korean cuisine (mandu).

A specialty's name sometimes includes that of a city or region, either in or outside of Turkey, and may refer to the specific technique or ingredients used in that area. For example, the difference between Urfa kebap and Adana kebap is the thickness of the skewer and the amount of hot pepper that the kebab contains. Urfa kebap is less spicy and thicker than Adana kebap. Although meat-based foods such as kebabs are the mainstay in Turkish cuisine as presented in foreign countries, native Turkish meals largely center around rice, vegetables, and bread.

Let me show you some of them Smile

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I can take you to dinner whenever you visit Turkey.

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Re: Nightcrawler is Back!

Post by SA on Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:48 pm

Wow, thats looking good!

Does you Boss know what you are doing all that time sitting behind your desk?

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Post by cottmiler on Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:39 am

NC, would you like to open a new thread for your progress and advices as this one has become very long. Very Happy

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Post by nightcrawler on Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:03 pm

cottmiler wrote:NC, would you like to open a new thread for your progress and advices as this one has become very long. Very Happy

I already have shared here some of my workouts, i have not enough time for sharing the workouts regularly in this season.

I m focusing on 50m sets on 45" and 100m sets on 1:30.

03.03.2017(afternoon session)
30*50m int:45"(average:38", best:36")
500 easy (7:12)
15*100m int:1:30 (average:1:18, best:1:12)
400 easy (5:30)

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Post by nightcrawler on Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:09 am

05.03.2017(morning session, 4900m)
Set1: 20*50m int:45"(avg:40", best:38")
100 kick
12*25m int:25" bands drill(avg:20", best:19")

Set2: 20*50m int:45"(avg:40", best:38")
500m doggy paddle drill
100m kick

Set3: 20*50m int:45"(avg:40", best:38")
400 bands drill(5:40)
100m kick
100 doggy paddle drill

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Post by nightcrawler on Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:15 am

07.03.2017(morning session, 4300m)
Set1: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:40", best:39", AvgSPL:17)
100 crawl kicking
20*25m crawl with ankle bands, int:25" (avg:19", best:18", AvgSPL:17)

Set2: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:39", best:38", AvgSPL:17)
100m kicking
20x25m crawl, doggy paddle drill, int:25" (av:20", best:19", AvgSPL:17)

Set3-1: 8*50m crawl with ankle bands, int:45"(avg:41", best:40", AvgSPL:18)
Set3-2: 12*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:39", best:38", AvgSPL:17)
100m crawl, mixed doggy paddle drill (footage: https://youtu.be/OWLcH_MacbM , SPL:16-17, Pace:1:20 )

Notes: Getting used to the intervals which are on 45", sustaining the 1:20 pace easily in each session even in cruise(easy) mode.
Last week I had no break after Datca race, total distance per week was 29km in 8 sessions. This week I am also intending the same amount of total volume.
Keeping on doing my dry land exercises while watching tv in the evenings with my self-made isokinetic exergenie device.

Budapest is calling! Smile

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Post by SA on Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:20 am

I watched the construction of the exergenie. Way too expensive american made stuff. Sorry Trump, dont gonna buy your expensive made in amerika stuff.Clever basic idea though.
Can easily make this thing yourself with a rope and a similar rope twisting mechanism.
The big advantage from the exergenie is that the recovery isnt loaded and the pull length is limitless.
In theory that is. still have to make the thing to feel how it works.

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Post by s.sciame on Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:15 am

nightcrawler wrote:07.03.2017(morning session, 4300m)
Set1: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:40", best:39", AvgSPL:17)
100 crawl kicking
20*25m crawl with ankle bands, int:25" (avg:19", best:18", AvgSPL:17)

Set2: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:39", best:38", AvgSPL:17)
100m kicking
20x25m crawl, doggy paddle drill, int:25" (av:20", best:19", AvgSPL:17)

Set3-1: 8*50m crawl with ankle bands, int:45"(avg:41", best:40", AvgSPL:18)
Set3-2: 12*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:39", best:38", AvgSPL:17)
100m crawl, mixed doggy paddle drill (footage: https://youtu.be/OWLcH_MacbM , SPL:16-17, Pace:1:20 )

Notes: Getting used to the intervals which are on 45", sustaining the 1:20 pace easily in each session even in cruise(easy) mode.
Last week I had no break after Datca race, total distance per week was 29km in 8 sessions. This week I am also intending the same amount of total volume.
Keeping on doing my dry land exercises while watching tv in the evenings with my self-made isokinetic exergenie device.

Budapest is calling! Smile

Very good NC, and thanks for the video. One thing I noticed from your workouts and from the above video is that your doggy paddle pace is almost as fast as your swim pace. It seems nothing affects your pace: fins/no fins, band/no band, paddles/no paddles, doggy paddle/full stroke etc. At 1:20/100m you could choose to race with doggy paddle Wink

So do you tipically practice the doggy paddle drill in your workouts for shoulder injury prevention reasons or is it also a way for you to focus on catch&pull?

Finally, the video you proposed, the story about your operated shoulder and the elbow in front of the scapular plane thing, make me want to try and do a continuous (eg 400m) doggy paddle swim with front snorkel and see how my shoulders respond. This because I noticed that if I swim a straight 400m with a snorkel, my shoulders start feeling uncomfortable, and I suspect the reason could be that I don't keep the elbow in front of the scapular plane in my NON breathing strokes. This possible technique flaw would then remain hidden when swimming normally because the breathing strokes give "more rest" to the shoulders.

Thanks again!
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Post by nightcrawler on Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:12 pm

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRVANWngEed/
Can anyone(for example Cottmiler who is the man of fantastic drills) do these?

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Post by cottmiler on Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:29 am

She is very flexible.

I occasionally work on the Egyptian Crawl (one leg in the air) and this is a development of the Flee Drill.

She did that on the back stroke too.

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Post by nightcrawler on Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:24 pm

08.03.2017(morning session, 4400m)
Set1: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:40", best:39", AvgSPL:18)
100 crawl kicking
20*25m crawl with ankle bands, int:25" (avg:20", best:19", AvgSPL:18)
100 crawl kicking

Set2: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:39", best:38", AvgSPL:18)
100m kicking
10x25m crawl, doggy paddle drill, int:25" (av:20", best:19", AvgSPL:17)
100m crawl kicking

Set3: 20*50m crawl, int:45"(avg:40", best:38", AvgSPL:18)
100m crawl kicking
4x25m crawl MAX. int:40" (all 15" with 17 SPL)


08.03.2017(afternoon session, 1500m)
Set1: 15x100m easy crawl, int:1:40 (best:1:16, worst: 1:21, average:1:18, AvgSPL:17)

Notes:
I did dry land rope pulling exercises yesterday evening and moreover couldnt sleep well enough, so that when compared with yesterday's session I was 2-3% slower and felt weaker today. In the morning session I tried different stoke timings with 2bk/6bk and breathing in each 3 strokes such as:
- 1 arm front quadrant 2. and 3. arms are not front quadtant(FQ).
- 1. and 2. arms front quadrant 3. arm not FQ.
- all arms FQ with finger tip drag (fingers touching to the surface of the water during recovery)
- all arms not FQ by using straight arm recovery.
- did the same above with 6bk (pace didnt change!!!!)
---->>>> CONCLUSION: I again saw that stroke timing and kick pattern dont affect my pace. There is something except agility, timing, rhythm, flexibility, etc. that determines our pace, IMHO it may be POWER.

In the afternoon session I had 30 minutes, intended to take the revenge of the morning session but again I couldnt perform better, swam the 100 meters with my recovery pace(around 1:20) in longer interval period (1:40).

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Post by s.sciame on Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:23 pm

Hi NC, I know you're not in love with Paul Newsome. However, since you recently raced in Datca, since water conditions played a considerable role and since you also have a goal (sub 1:10 over 5k if memory serves), I thought you may like reading this article and maybe do your own Datca benchmarks if you have access to the results of the previous years.

http://swimsmoothperth.blogspot.it/2017/03/so-just-how-hard-was-rottnest-channel_9.html

It would be nice to assess how hard the conditions were and under how easier conditions you may already break your 1:10 goal.

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:45 pm

Article is too long, too many words serving for no pupose and improvement, cant waste my time reading that.

Yesi I thing I could break the 1:10 if the water was not rough.

Today's session (morning, 4400m SCM):

Set1: 20x50m int:45" (avg:40", SPL:16, 6bk, high wattage)
Drills: 700m

Set2: 20x50m int:45" (avg:39", SPL:18, 2bk, high wattage)
Drills: 700m

Set3: 20x50m int:45" (avg:36", SPL:19, no kick, low wattage, higher cadance)

Notes: High wattage and lower SPL may be god for short distances but quite exhausting in longer distances, hard to sustain it.
It will be better I think to return back to my old slippy sloppy technique or work on both techniques. Set3 was a good indicator for my situation where low strokes per lap doesnt suitable for my target distances, it is like lifting 50kg for 3 repetitions and lifting 5 kg for 1000 repetitions . By the way, set3 is one of the best sets I have done in my swimming career.

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Post by SA on Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:06 pm

Slippy sloppy is more a lack of precision than a description of a shorter stroke.
Maybe your HIgh torque, low rpm stroke has functioned partly as a strength exercise that made the low torque high rpm swim style easier.
Do you swim better now simply by being more focussed and training harder, or is it possible you actually took something from you forceful longer stroke and made your slippy sloppy stroke a bit less slippy sloppy?
I think most of your improvement is simply because you made your engine bigger, but maybe 10% of the improvement has something to do with slightly changed technique.

Shelly Taylors Schmits stroke is not long, but its the opposite of slippy sloppy. Its 100% perfect and precise underwater. When you achieve this level of precision there really is nothing left to improve.
Dont know if you think you have reached this perfection level yet. Maybe you have for your body.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:26 am

SA wrote:Slippy sloppy is more a lack of precision than a description of a shorter stroke.
Yes, I have already understood your jargon.

Maybe your HIgh torque, low rpm stroke has functioned partly as a strength exercise that made the low torque high rpm swim style easier.
I dont think so

Do you swim better now simply by being more focussed and training harder, or is it possible you actually took something from you forceful longer stroke and made your slippy sloppy stroke a bit less slippy sloppy?
One thing itself is not enough, i think both of all.

I think most of your improvement is simply because you made your engine bigger, but maybe 10% of the improvement has something to do with slightly changed technique.
My new technique is more pleasant, in short distances like 50-100m it is powerfull, but hard to sustain the same wattage as the distance increases

Shelly Taylors Schmits stroke is not long, but its the opposite of slippy sloppy. Its 100% perfect and precise underwater. When you achieve this level of precision there really is nothing left to improve.
Dont know if you think you have reached this perfection level yet. Maybe you have for your body.

I see that both Cottmiler, Salvo and you all are still under the hypnosis of SwimSmooth. Who says that 100% perfect and precise? Can she swim 5K sub 1 hour(even it is also a bad time)? Even swimmers swimming around 50 minutes 5K and olympians such as Alexander Popov, Janet Evans, Vladimir Salnikov, Phelps, Thorpe are not thinking that their sroke is perfect Very Happy



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10.03.2017 - Morning Session - SCM - 4500m
Set1: 20x50m crawl with 6 beat kick int:45" (avgLapTime:40", avgSPL:17")
Recovery: 20x25m int:25" bands drill
200 kicking

Set2: 20x50m crawl with no kick int:45" (avgLapTime:38", avgSPL:19")
Recovery: 20x25m int:25" bands drill
200 kicking

Set3: 20x50m crawl with 2 and 6 mixed kick int:45" (avgLapTime:39", avgSPL:17")
100 kicking

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Post by SA on Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:02 am

I see that both Cottmiler, Salvo and you all are still under the hypnosis of SwimSmooth. Who says that 100% perfect and precise? Can she swim 5K sub 1 hour? even swimmers swimming around 50 minutes 5K are not thinking that their sroke is perfect Very Happy

It has nothing to do with smimsmooth. When looking at her underwaterstroke there is nothing I can think of that she could do better. The movment and timing are simply perfect. (look perfect to me at least )
You know boat builders are always talking about  a boats shape and how a boats moves tkrough the water, holds itself in the waves etc. Its not a product of scientific formulas that makes them agree some are great ships. Your stroke also is a class act compared to the mess of a beginner swimmer. Compared to Shelly the arm movement and timing looks a tiny bit more slippy sloppy. Just my intuitive opinion.

Looking for 100% perfection isnt needed, and its not known what is perfect at some point.
Can Ledecky swim better? Nobody knows. Paltrinieri,? Thorpe?Popov etc?All look great in their own right.
I am pretty sure the 50 min 5K swimmers who dont think their stroke is perfect have a stroke that is looking a lot better than the folks that I see in the pool.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:45 am

You are under the hypnosis of SS and TI because they visually invaded the youtube, you are watching those rubbish stuff and their dud swimmers and assume that swimming should be like that and trying to immitating them.

Let me show you the realities;
Seeming elegant(in terms of timing or visualisation) is not a criteria for perfect swimming. All ti swimmers seem elegant than my technique but all swim slower than me. Perfection is not related with technique, an old water polo swimmer having a slippy sloppy pull, having thumb fist hand entry, doing on side breathing guy such as Emre can swim faster than me by just adding dry land exercises in his workouts and doing more cadance to his stroke.

Perfection means time not the visualisation, never forget that.

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Post by s.sciame on Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:37 pm

nightcrawler wrote:

I see that both Cottmiler, Salvo and you all are still under the hypnosis of SwimSmooth.


Well, maybe 5 years ago, as an absolute beginner. Though even then I don't think "hypnosis" was the right word, maybe "influence" fits better. As an absolute beginner you have to start somewhere. For me, the alternative to SS and/or TI and/or internet in general, was to trust my local pool coach (and maybe getting hypnotized by him). But I was already too old to take things for granted, something didn't convince me about that coach so I chose not to trust him and to search for education by myself. Internet was the easiest channel to search of course. And I like to be the driver of my research, never liked to rely on others even if I know that it can save time.

Fast forward 5 years later: I'm glad for the choice I did for the following reasons:
1) I can now confirm he wasn't a good coach, don't think I'd be a better swimmer if I followed him.
2) I saved a lot of money by not having to pay him (TI and SS are about marketing but in 5 years they took me just the price of a couple of books and DVDs)
3) In this (planned) process of trial and error I now have enough knowledge to train by myself. Other master swimmers in my pool, after 10-15 years of swimming or more, still need a coach to tell them what to do in the pool. Some of them are also good swimmers but they would just get lost if they had to train solo. For instance they are forced to train in the evening just because the coach is there only in the evening. Swimming for me is also freedom to go training (with a clear idea of what to do and why) whenever you want and according to your life. In the evening I like to play with my daughter. In the mornings the pool lanes are empty and I can train lovely.

So, back to SS: I never believed everything they say is gold. I also don't easily say it's all rubbish: in the end they didn't invent swimming, many concepts are common swim knowledge and are ok for beginners and worked for me in the past.

Because I believe in life you may have something to learn from everyone - never say never, one day you may learn 2 cents from me even if you don't think so -, I just try to get the best from people. As you once said, yes, I'm an opportunist Wink

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:11 pm

Being opportunist like in business life is not necessary for swimming fast. Learning and doing are different from each other. A fresh child can swim 11 seconds 25m in his first day in the pool without any swim knowledge and background at all. It is related with talent as i explained 10+ times.

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Post by SA on Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:49 pm

I have seen hundreds of swimmers and no one hopped in the pool and swum to the other side in 11 seconds with zero experience.

You are a swim coach. What do you say to your students? Sorry , you dont have any talent, better go watch television? Its useless to try to improve yourself . Your crappy engine will never generate enough power to move you through the water at a decent pace.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:06 pm

Sorry to remind you again thst you are in a dream or illusioned by Paul like salesmen if you have any hope to swim like Shelly.

Noone can be a swimmer after 16, only can swim for rehabiliative and recreational purposes.

Worldrecord for 800m is 7:28 in SCM. Imagine that you will swim 10 minutes with years of hard workout(indeed it will nwve happen, but lets still imagine), what will be then? Answer: you will swim ℅25 worse than an average(8min) 800m swimmer.

Of course this doeasnt mean that you wont train, train for yourself and be healthier, but while doing this never compare yourself with Shelly like swimmers and beware of illusions.

I m telling my students these and save them from the hypnosis of marketing coaches. They first be aware of why and for whay they will be swimming. By the way we have a TI club in our country and most of my students were ex TI students who had been suffering from lack of development for a long time.


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Post by SA on Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:14 pm

I dont think I will ever swim like Shelly.Dont worry. My ankle flexibility already makes that impossible Wink

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:27 pm

Where are you from SA?

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Post by s.sciame on Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:27 pm

nightcrawler wrote:Being opportunist like in business life is not necessary for swimming fast.

For the record, The "opportunist" thing was a joke. I thought the message was clear enough, anyway it's better to clarify: getting the best from people doesn't mean being opportunist. It is instead a positive and open minded attitude because it arises from NOT being biased against people and things. People are not simply divided into gurus and jerks. I don't get hypnotized by anybody nor I say "this is rubbish, that is rubbish" every time someone "in the black book" says something. That would be a very rigid and poor approach for me.


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