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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:47 pm

100m in 1:15 today as follows: TT@80SPM, pushed off after beep 0 and hit 20-20-21-22SPL using the last stroke to touch the wall (ie no gliding into the wall). Tot 100 beeps or 1:15. It's a new PB, however I hoped for a better 4th length: the last turn was really poor. Need to do more 25's to keep the pace better in the 3rd and 4th length.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by nightcrawler on Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:19 pm

The protocol works!Smile

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by SA on Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:38 pm

All because of smart training, or has your technique improved also?Very Happy

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:58 am

I'd say it's mostly a matter of training. Yes, NC's protocol works! A mini set of 4-8x25 at the end of the session takes very little time but can do wonders. I'm only recently appreciating the value of swimming the 25's also for endurance purpose (e.g. 1h of 25's with sub 5s rest). And the Tempo Trainer gives me a lot of precious info during these sets.

From a technical standpoint I found that a straighter arm recovery and bit more of kayak timing (with connected shoulder blades) is helping me keeping DPS at high rates. Anyway, at this stage (1:15 over 100m, 34.7 over 50m) I believe getting faster is mostly about gradually adapting to faster rates and doesn't necessary require better technique, better kick or better turns.

For instance, to hit 1:10 I know I have to keep 20SPL at 85SPM. I can already do this on the 25's with my current technique, poor kick, shallow pushoff and breathing every 2 strokes. So there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to do it 4 times in a row with proper training.

Another story instead would be to hit 30s over 50m, since I currently can't keep that pace even for a single length (no wonder if USRPT suggests also 15m reps to train for a 50). In that case I guess a better kick and better turn & pushoff play their role and are worth training at (not my goal though). Theoretically (and just to have fun), if I wanted to hit 30s over 50m with my current stroke, I should hold 20SPL at 98SPM. And, since I can't do it even for a single length, I guess I should do it in chunks of 15m or less (as USRPT suggests). For instance, pushoff, swim 10 fast strokes at 98SPM and try to be at the 15m mark on the 10th stroke. Then, eventually, try to be at the 20m mark with 15 fast strokes etc. In short, try to detect the point where the stroke starts to break and the speed decreases (assuming that at least in the first few strokes you have the required speed of course) and work on that threshold.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by SA on Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:54 pm

well, thats interesting. So when I am able to do 25 in 12 -13 sec I can pat myself on the back by saying, I can swim 100 min in 1 min 05 (or something), if i just train a bit more.
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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:43 pm

exactly, and if it should take too long to do a 25 in 12s you could go for 10m in 5s from a dive and say I can swim the 50's in :25 something Wink

Seriously, I don't know nothing about training for a 50 (except that USRPT suggests 15m reps), it was just a guess. By the way, I was reading a Gary Hall Sr. article by chance and I noticed that he considers 100SPM just normal for a 100m. So my estimated 98SPM for a 50m in 30s, which to me sounded like a crazy rate, in fact may be less crazy than I thought and probably something we gradually should get to (especially because we are not Sun Yang who can keep that pace at 60SPM).

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:24 pm

I think I already I mentioned it before: according to what I've seen, 50m in around 34s seems to be a kind of natural barrier for "guys like us". So I, for myself, don't believe that it can be reached by "ordinary training", but a fundamental improvement is needed. Perhaps I want to avoid the word "technique" here, since perhaps that word doesn't have much meaning, is too close to the "beauty contest" swimming (fortunately!) is not. That fundamental improvement I believe I can reach by concentrating also on 25m's and 50m's, but with much longer rests (often), proper concentration, and "following the power": the speed needs some power, and at that power apparently ordinary swimming doesn't work anymore (for us).

We will see. But it will need time.

Stroke-rate: the average stroke-rate for 50m sprints seem to be around 150 SPM (at international level at least); there are exceptions. Unclear what that means: Do we also need something like that, since we don't have the super-strong pull, or don't we need it, since we are going still relatively slowly?

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:18 pm

Sprinter wrote:I think I already I mentioned it before: according to what I've seen, 50m in around 34s seems to be a kind of natural barrier for "guys like us".

I see. I remembered the barrier was more around 30s, 34 seems to me still doable with ordinary training. At my local master meets 34s is pretty slow either in my category (40-44yo) but also in the 55-59, and it's about average in the 60-64. At least today I did 34.59 (from a pushoff as always) at the end of a tough endurance session and right after 4 maximal 25m sprints. I'm pretty confident that in fresh conditions I can shave 1 beep and come in 33.88s. But yes, I also understand that every tenth of a second is less easy to shave that it seems. Let's see.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:23 pm

s.sciame wrote:
I see. I remembered the barrier was more around 30s, 34 seems to me still doable with ordinary training.
We will see. I don't know somebody who started late with training, around fifty or above, who can do this.

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At my local master meets 34s is pretty slow either in my category (40-44yo) but also in the 55-59, and it's about average in the 60-64.

Those "masters" are already preselected. Who of them started late?

s.sciame wrote:
At least today I did 34.59 (from a pushoff as always) at the end of a tough endurance session and right after 4 maximal 25m sprints. I'm pretty confident that in fresh conditions I can shave 1 beep and come in 33.88s. But yes, I also understand that every tenth of a second is less easy to shave that it seems. Let's see.

You need also to do at some point a proper timing, with signal and dive, by some coach. You might be even slower here.
Also, in my experience, one might be faster during a training session than in a race. It takes experience to overcome that.

And then, improving one second over 50m in one year is considered doable, but hard.

It seems the faster one swims, the more the inherent restrictions of one's swimming show. That's very interesting, I think, but that seems also to mean that the training just "doesn't scale".
I wouldn't say this from somebody in his thirties: there still I know examples (myself, not just having heard about it) for faster progress. You are in your fourties, around 10 years younger than me -- might make the difference.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:01 pm

Just adding some objective numbers for 50m SCM:
The UK record is 25.13
https://www.swimmingresults.org/mastersdata/records/?v=10&c=1&g=2&e=1&a=50-54
the European record is 24.74
http://www.len.eu/?p=4577
Both for age group 50-54.
Sure, the world record is quite a bit better -- hm, the number I had in mind is 23.3x by Rowdy Gaines, with fast suites -- but I can't find that anymore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Masters_world_records_in_swimming#Freestyle_3
is empty for 50-54, and
http://www.fina.org/content/masters-records
seems down?
Anyway, coming close to 25s / 50m SCM is definitely only doable at 50-54 for a handful of people (world-wide).

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Guest on Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:27 am

Times are well out of my league but a suggestion on how to use the tempo trainer . Say you want to do 50 in 35 secs in 25m pool set the tempo mode 1 to 17.5 secs. Hit the button and Swim your heart out get to the turn before the beep and as a result knowing your speed beat the beep to the end. Once you do it shave the 17.5 to 17.45 and so on till you get to 15 you speedy youngsters!

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:59 am

woody wrote:Say you want to do 50 in 35 secs  in 25m pool set the tempo mode 1 to 17.5 secs. Hit the button and Swim your heart out get to the turn before the beep and as a result knowing your speed beat the beep to the end.

I dislike this mode, think it's badly designed: shouldn't it *obviously* have a count-down?!?!? So when do you start? You wait and wait, and then you are
either too late or too early.
And then I also think it should announce when it will beep again, so that you can anticipate when it comes. It should also be louder, so that you don't miss the beeps.
And it should be then, after the "announcement", be a precise *single* beep: when does the period end? First beep, last beep, or somewhere in the middle??

And that's just when you do a single 25m. As you suggest, swimming the whole 50m, you have the same total imprecision,  and furthermore you typically can't hear the beep in the middle (due to the turn), and then it makes you anticipate something, which you also don't want. There's also a chance that you even miss the final beep, when performing a true sprint over the last 10m, say, or when huffing heavily after the touch.
And even when you hear at, at some point, too soon or too late, what does it mean??
They designers really should have thought at *precision*. And/or, in the year 2017 and for that hefty price, shouldn't we able to program this thing?!

Using it in this mode, you have an unknown fault in the measure, and one second over 25 is a long time.
It's not only the imprecision -- it also spoils the fun (at least for me), to know about it.

By the way, for my purpose, the emoticons at the SwimSmooth side were much better than here: much better range for standard emotions. For example, where is "anger" here?
You have a lot of, hm, sorry, hopefully nobody is hurt, rubbish emoticons here (where I have no clue what they could mean).

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Guest on Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:26 am

When we use it this way in swimsmooth squad we just press the top start button and go so you have total control of the start.
For some sets we set it with a built in rest say 5 secs per 50. E.g. Even in 25m pool we set it at the time we will do 50 m in plus 5 secs . Aiming to beat the beep so increasing rest. So if you swam 200 metres you have a 20 sec rest before the next beep.
Swimming in a squad occasionally while at the wall another's beeper can confuse but mostly I can tune into it.
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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:46 am

Sprinter wrote:Just adding some objective numbers for 50m SCM:
The UK record is 25.13
https://www.swimmingresults.org/mastersdata/records/?v=10&c=1&g=2&e=1&a=50-54
the European record is 24.74
http://www.len.eu/?p=4577
Both for age group 50-54.
Sure, the world record is quite a bit better -- hm, the number I had in mind is 23.3x by Rowdy Gaines, with fast suites -- but I can't find that anymore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Masters_world_records_in_swimming#Freestyle_3
is empty for 50-54, and
http://www.fina.org/content/masters-records
seems down?
Anyway, coming close to 25s / 50m SCM is definitely only doable at 50-54 for a handful of people (world-wide).

And, FWIW, just to see what typically happens in a meet, these are the last local meet results in the same category (I just took the last meet in my area, these are not best times). The first hit 26.26 and the first 30 were all under 34. Don't know how many of them are late starters though.

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50 stile libero maschile - Categoria Master 50 Tempo Base : 0'24"62
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1 RITTORE ALVISE 1964 Circolo Canottieri 0'26"26 937,55
2 JOSI LUCA 1966 Circolo Canottieri 0'26"62 924,87
3 DE SANTI MARIO 1963 Acqua In Bocca asd 0'27"17 906,15
4 EMILI MARCO 1965 Empire Sport & Reso 0'27"32 901,17
5 MANGIONE MARCO 1963 Vis Nova Roma SSD a 0'27"46 896,58
6 QUACQUARELLI FRANCESCO 1966 Stelle Marine ssd 0'27"49 895,60
BADALONI LUIGI 1965 Flaminio Sporting C 0'27"49 895,60
8 LA ROCCA SALVATORE 1965 Zero9 ssd arl 0'27"60 892,03
9 BOBBIO MARCO 1964 Circolo Canottieri 0'27"93 881,49
10 SANNA MAURO 1966 Flaminio Sporting C 0'28"70 857,84
11 BORIONI PAOLO 1966 Eschilo Sporting Vi 0'28"97 849,84
GREGOLETTO FABIO 1964 A.B. Team asd 0'28"97 849,84
13 FERRADINI ANDREA 1966 Rari Nantes Bel Pog 0'29"08 846,63
14 SCAFFIDI ABBATE FABIO 1966 Empire Sport & Reso 0'29"13 845,18
15 MENEGATTI BRUNO 1964 Forum Sport Center 0'29"37 838,27
16 DEGANI ANGELO 1964 G. Sport Village ss 0'29"45 835,99
17 CORBARI DINO 1966 Blu&Green Sporting 0'29"56 832,88
18 BUTTARONI MAURIZIO 1965 A.B. Team asd 0'29"70 828,96
19 CIAMACCO STEFANO 1966 asd Red Sport 0'29"88 823,96
20 SILVESTRI ALESSANDRO 1967 Circolo Canottieri 0'29"96 821,76
21 GRAZIANI FABRIZIO 1963 SIS - Roma 0'30"02 820,12
22 MORABITO ALBERTO 1964 Zero9 ssd arl 0'30"23 814,42
23 GUERRINI EMANUELE 1966 Pol Time Out - Form 0'30"49 807,48
24 SUGARONI LEONE 1966 Primavera Campus ss 0'31"03 793,43
25 BARBI GIANFRANCO 1964 Flaminio Sporting C 0'31"29 786,83
26 LAUTONE LUCA 1964 Villa York Sporting 0'31"43 783,33
27 BOZZETTO FABIO 1964 Forum Sport Center 0'31"80 774,21
28 RIGHETTI ERMANNO 1964 Due Ponti ssd 0'32"89 748,56
29 BARBARESI GIUSEPPE 1967 Pol N.Salvetti - Ro 0'32"98 746,51
30 BERGANTINO STEFANO 1965 Villa York Sporting 0'33"43 736,46
31 UTTINACCI MARCO 1963 Anguillara Nuoto as 0'34"01 723,90
32 BELLAFANTE MARCO 1964 Augustea S.C. ssd 0'34"92 705,04
33 ANGELACCIO MASSIMO 1967 Sport 2000 ssd - Ro 0'37"11 663,43
34 VENANZONI VALERIO 1963 Nautilus ssd 0'37"33 659,52
35 MANSI NICOLA 1964 Circolo Canottieri 0'37"39 658,46
36 BELLO PAOLO 1964 Sport 2000 ssd - Ro 0'37"87 650,12
37 VITULANO DOMENICO 1967 Palestrina Sportin 0'38"21 644,33
38 SPREGA FABIO 1965 Augustea S.C. ssd 0'38"84 633,88
39 BAUCO MAURO 1965 SIS - Roma 0'39"43 624,40
40 MUZI ENZO 1967 Jolly ssd - Roma 0'47"29 520,62
41 BARBARISI OVIDIO 1963 Panta Rei Sport asd 0'48"00 512,92

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by nightcrawler on Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:46 pm

At the moment, I am swimming the 50m free 29" in long course and 28" in short course. I dont attend any masters pool swimming championships, because my time for 50m is very poor, according to my criteria at least 25" should be swum at any age to compete in 50m free.
Here are the results of the last championship done in February in long course:
http://tyf.gov.tr/maskis17/ResultList_6.pdf

By the way, in marathon swimming(open water) races there is great gap between me and them, i am more like a diesel engine.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:48 am

It seems that the local meet of Salvo is a rather big event (perhaps a qualifying event)?

Have a look at the European Masters Championship in London 2016
http://london2016.microplustiming.com/Masters/indexLondonMasters2016SW_web.php?s=Q2hlY2tKc29uVG9Mb2FkKCdNQVMnLCAnMTAxJywgJzAwNScsICcwMDEnLCAnJywgJycsICc1MG0gU3RpbGUgTGliZXJvIE0nLCAnNTBtIEZyZWVzdHlsZSBNZW4nLCAnNTBtIE5hZ2UgTGlicmUnKTs=&cat=&page=&spec=&bat=&td=CAL_CIS_DAY&hg=&descIT=NTBtIFN0aWxlIExpYmVybyBN&descEN=NTBtIEZyZWVzdHlsZSBNZW4=&descFR=NTBtIE5hZ2UgTGlicmU=&curCatSel_M_F=&sport=Swimming

My age group 50-54:
203 qualified times (250 registered),
0 below 25s
3 from 25-26
13 from 26-27
24 from 27-28
27 from 28-29
28 from 29-30
Sum: 95 from 203 below 30s
27 from 30-31
21 from 31-32
28 from 32-33
18 from 33-34
14 from 34-35

That's the best we have in Europe. Nations count for first 20:
ITA 5
FIN 1
TUR 1
GBR 4
AUT 1
NED 1
SUI 2
NOR 2
POR 1
FRA 2

Seems that that at least for this event and age group Italy is strongly presented (while Germany not at all).

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:03 am

To me it looks as if that European data would (so well, could) well support my two threshold numbers:
1. 50% below 30s, 50% above. My conjecture: the late starters you find nearly precisely in the second half (with a few outliers around 29s).
2. 34.x s is a threshold speed: you get there as late starter if you are reasonably athletic, reasonably talented, good effort -- from then on it's hard work (not just "more of the same").

We needed much better data; especially history of masters swimmers.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:46 pm

Sprinter wrote:To me it looks as if that European data would (so well, could) well support my two threshold numbers:
1. 50% below 30s, 50% above. My conjecture: the late starters you find nearly precisely in the second half (with a few outliers around 29s).
2. 34.x s is a threshold speed: you get there as late starter if you are reasonably athletic, reasonably talented, good effort -- from then on it's hard work (not just "more of the same").


These 2 thresholds seem pretty much in line to what Charles (aka Solar Energy) said in this old funny thread (the first page is enough, and watch the video Very Happy ):

https://www.totalimmersion.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7505

Christiansen looks super lean and muscle free, however he must have got a lot of hidden power in order to swim 25s and to overcome all that drag.

"Now, I still have an issue teaching sprinting to distance folks having no previous significant swimming background. I think I can state that aside from a few rares cases, I fail. Even my most motivated folks do not achieve the speed I believe they should. I am yet to understand why. They mostly end up hanging a bit below 35sec and a bit below 1:15 for 100m. That's not enough.

This is very frustrating, as most of these contenders are far more gifted than I physically. Even out of shape, I can swim 30 and 1:05. With minimal training it becomes 28.some / 1:02.some roughly. I still don't understand, and blame it on the mystery of swimming.
...
One final thing I may add, I am yet to use Weight resistance as a means to improve sprinting performances. Maybe that's why I keep failing, I donno.
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Happy weekend everyone, swim a lot and beat the thresholds!
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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:13 pm

Sprinter wrote:
Stroke-rate: the average stroke-rate for 50m sprints seem to be around 150 SPM (at international level at least); there are exceptions. Unclear what that means: Do we also need something like that, since we don't have the super-strong pull, or don't we need it, since we are going still relatively slowly?

Good question. As a distance wannabe swimmer who has always swam at slowish rates, since I started playing with these short sprints I'm exploring a new range of stroke rates just to see how it feels, and the outcomes so far seem pretty interesting. Given that my best 25m time from a pushoff is 15.33s, obtained at 90SPM/20SPL, and given that at these paces I can't currently get any better DPS, I'm looking for faster unexplored rates. So, with some beforehand maths, I noted that I could hit 15s flat (from a pushoff) with the following gears: 92SPM/20SPL (23 beeps), 96SPM/21SPL, 100SPM/22SPL, 104SPM/23SPL, 108SPM/24SPL and so on. I know that 24SPL is probably too much, but who cares for now, I just want to see the end of the spectrum, swim to the point I can't follow the beep anymore.
So today I tried these gears with a lot of rest beetween each sprint: at 92SPM I hit 21SPL, slow. At 96SPM I hit 22SPL, slow again. At 100SPM I hit 23SPL, slow but good feelings. In fact at 104SPM I just followed the beep and hit 23SPL, 26 beeps and 15s flat! Excited by the new "sweet spot", I did a last try at 108SPM, not sure whether the stroke would break completely: again, head down, just followed the beep and hit 24SPL, 27 beeps and 15s flat.

The funny thing is that at 80-90SPM I really have to push hard to get close to 15s, whereas at these "new" rates (above 100SPM) it's just about following the beep, less power more speed. So, if you tell me that the avg stroke rate for 50m sprints is around 150SPM at elite level, at our level I'd say the weaker the kick, the weaker the stroke, the higher the rate. Maybe not as high as 150 (I could never follow the beep at 150bpm) but perhaps neighter under 90-100. Does it make sense?

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by cottmiler on Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:20 pm

Have a look at Richard Varga:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgLnxoSkAI

He stroke rate might be 140 to start but seems to slow quite quickly. If the pool is 25 m then he did about 56 sec for 100 m.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by s.sciame on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:59 pm

cottmiler wrote:Have a look at Richard Varga:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgLnxoSkAI

He stroke rate might be 140 to start but seems to slow quite quickly.  If the pool is 25 m then he did about 56 sec for 100 m.

Wow, finally a video of Richard Varga on youtube, cool! Well, I suppose he wasn't trying to swim his best 100 here, maybe he was rather simulating a triathlon swim leg start: he starts at around 110SPM and, in the middle of the 2nd length, he settles to around 80SPM. It's cool to see distance swimmers doing sets like this.

Anyway the 150SPM Sprinter mentions above are relative to the 50m only. I expect much lower rates for the 100's. The 50's are completely different: you breathe much less, only have 1 turn, swim much less (the dive and the turn cut off much distance), and the duration of the effort involves different energy resources. Basically another sport Smile Also the tests I did this morning were doable for me only over a single length: I couldn't keep up at 108SPM for 2 lengths. And for a fast 100 I usually swim at 80SPM.

Thanks for the video, nice share!
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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:10 pm

s.sciame wrote:
The funny thing is that at 80-90SPM I really have to push hard to get close to 15s, whereas at these "new" rates (above 100SPM) it's just about following the beep, less power more speed. So, if you tell me that the avg stroke rate for 50m sprints is around 150SPM at elite level, at our level I'd say the weaker the kick, the weaker the stroke, the higher the rate. Maybe not as high as 150 (I could never follow the beep at 150bpm) but perhaps neighter under 90-100. Does it make sense?

I think common-sense says that to swim 50m "as fast as possible", you need to
- pull as hard as possible
- have a stroke-rate as high as possible
- have the stroke as long as possible.

The only problem is what "possible" means here Very Happy

But I think you have to constantly work on these aspects. Pushing the rate, then going lower again and pushing the power, and always watching that the stroke is "relatively long". Since our technique is developing (hopefully), we need to constantly experiment.

And I don't think it is a law of nature that our kick has to be weak. On the contrary, it seems to take years, but the kick seems to me the one aspect where the gains by training will be highest.

Once one gets used to it, also 150 SPM is possible. But it seems for real sprinting one has to turn off the beep and practice also without it, since the synchronisation will slow you down. And for the race it seems likely that different stroke rates are just natural: perhaps some acceleration at the beginning (I find it very hard to get right into it), then perhaps slowing down, and then the final sprint (the final 10m).

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:14 pm

Just a short update.

Around 1-2 months ago I decided that the slowest stroke-rate of 60 SPM was too slow, felt unnatural. So I raised it to 66 SPM (actually, from 1 sec per stroke to 0.9 sec per stroke -- I prefer to think in these terms, since it's easier to calculate your speed from that).

Happier since then. And actually I am going to increase the stroke rate further. Still too much waiting time, and to go fast you have to pull too hard.

What I believe is of utmost importance is the free-running kick. And that is also unnatural with a slow stroke rate. 75 - 85 SPM feels alright. Kind of "everything falls naturally into place", and no "searching" for the right way of swimming.

Sure, you have to get used to it. But that works, and then it feels better than the slower stroke-rates. It seems also better for shoulders and back.

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by Sprinter on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:40 pm

Recently I had some shoulder problems (rotator cuff and tendons), and so I train with restricted intensity (especially the arms), but I hope that with more appropriate dryland exercises this issue will be solved (somewhat neglected some basic exercises the last months).

I feel/hope, that finally having a target
http://theswimforum.palstani.com/t80-european-masters-swimming-championships-2018
gives the tight impetus. Among other aspects, it is something easily communicable to the various coaches involved.

Last month I had one-to-one sessions and video-analyses with Edward Sinclair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Sinclair_(swimmer)
and his school, and that was very useful. Main problems:
- kick not yet continuously running (especially in race-situations it is "forgotten")
- long-standing issue with left arm breaking out sideways (and too deep)
- due to the shoulder-issues, the right arm makes some evasive motions.

The one technical exercise I added to my training is the Sailboat Drill
https://vimeo.com/61579316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSiEykvx5M

(I think the right strategy with drills is to have them for a very concrete goal, "answering a question". In this case it is about my left arm, and also about late breathing. Once progress has been achieved, the drill moves to the background.)

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Re: CHALLENGE 50/100 m

Post by cottmiler on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:47 pm

This Sailboat Drill is the first drill in Dave Scott,s video in the thread "Dave Scott,s Quick Catch".

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