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Mr smooth timing shown by little fish

Post by SA on Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:57 am

this little fish swims very much like mr smooth. Just a very tiny pause in extension and then  right back to business. Perfect compromise between windmilling and catchup.
Stable alignment, rolling shoulders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d5STdm1ppQ

his brother added some strength to the stroke which makes it look more grownup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGbkbQX0U8

who needs an expensive private pool? Very Happy  idea for nightcrawler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uazjR5L_OvI

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:51 pm

SA wrote:this little fish swims very much like mr smooth. Just a very tiny pause in extension and then  right back to business. Perfect compromise between windmilling and catchup.
Stable alignment, rolling shoulders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d5STdm1ppQ

his brother added some strength to the stroke which makes it look more grownup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtGbkbQX0U8

who needs an expensive private pool? Very Happy  idea for nightcrawler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uazjR5L_OvI

Nice pool SA Smile)

You wrote: "Just a very tiny pause in extension and then  right back to business."
This is not a pause, that is catchup timing after inhale, i am also doing it when I get tired, to save energy. Nice stroke timing, i liked it too.

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Post by cottmiler on Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:06 pm

Don,t forget that young people have vastly lower inertia and have no difficulty clicking their bodies from one edge to the other under the action of their high cadence powerful arm actions.

We on the other hand have lower power to weight ratio and tend to swim on our fronts with feeble hand ticklings plus much more drag.

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Re: Mr smooth timing shown by little fish

Post by SA on Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:41 pm

I dont agree the youngest brother is relatively strong. He keeps his body inline to the end, but his arm are not that strong. They have some slippy sloppiness in them ( on a good basic movement pattern) . At the end it all starts to break down and slipping more.
We beginning adults are also relatively weak compared to real swimmers, and more stiff on top of that.
We should take some from relative weak very young children. Timing could be one of them.
I dont see much flip flopping total body from side to side in the youngest guy. Its more a lot of continuous upperbody action on a pretty stable  rear end.

The older brother has some more precision, strength and extension in his strokes. He is already on a level adult learners will never reach.


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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:56 pm

SA wrote:I dont agree the youngest brother is relatively strong. He keeps his body inline to the end, but his arm are not that strong. They have some slippy sloppiness in them and pull shallow. At the end it all starts to break down and slipping more.
We beginning adults are also relatively weak compared to real swimmers, and more stiff on top of that.
We should take some from relative weak very young children. Timing could be one of them.

The older brother has some more precision, strength and extension in his strokes. He is already on a level adult learners will never reach.
Dont worry, after reaching up to 100 manmakers with 10kg dumbell, you also wont feel weak no more... Very Happy

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Post by SA on Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:59 pm

are you up to 100 manmakers with 10 kg in 10 minutes now?
Thats really impressive!

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:50 am

With 8kg dumbell i reached up to 50 on 5 minutes,  then injured my shoulder. I gave up eating kebabs, pitas and baklava, lost 2 kilos last week, i am now 78kg Smile
For 2 days I gave a break to soften my shoulder and concentrated on only swimming. The following week I will continue on the manmakers...

Nowadays I am focused on the pros and cons of long stroke.

I am doing 1000m time trials with/without long stroke. With whorter strokes my SPL reaches up to 18 per 25m. With long strokes it is around 16-17. But with long strokes it is really hard to maintain the same pace after 300m for me. I can use the both type of strokes properly but I dont want to loose even a second due to neither any possible pause in my long stroke nor any loss of efficiency due to slippy sloppy pull in my short stroke... Now evaluating the both type of strokes(and also hybrid stroke including both types of stroke, i.e 50m with long strokes, 50m with short strokes) then will decide what to use in the 3K race of Masters World Champs in Budapest/Hungary. The Municipalities of Istanbul provided my sponsorship, thus I want to do my best...

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Re: Mr smooth timing shown by little fish

Post by SA on Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:54 pm

That seems a good strategy. You have narrowed the long-short gap already to 16- 18 strokes. Thats not so big of a gap, and 18 strokes/25 isnt even very short for an openwaterstroke for a guy your height.
A short stroke and slippy sloppyness dont have to always go together.
There is nothing slippysloppy in David Davies stroke. He just doesnt extend and wait much but goes right into catch and pushes not far out either. Together with an almost windmill timing this results in a short stroke, but the 90 degrees of the arm cycle he holds on to the water his lock is rocksolid.
How much the lesser time in extension hurts avarage drag over the complete cycle? I still havent found anyone who can answer that question.

Great stroke. He should have won that race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIRXaf3ZPrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8DSNeNMc6w

A 2BK swimmer with excellent arm mechanics . 17 strokes/25 like nightcrawler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhb_nW574VU
Dont like the small pause in her stroke right before catch. Reaching and gliding smoothly down  into the catch with a slight load is the ideal I guess. Gives better traction too it seems. David Davies does that better.

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