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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:27 am

13.07.2017 - 4600m
50m crawl easy
Set1: 2000m crawl with pullbuoy+paddles (27:10, 1st 1000m split time: 13:39, SPL:17-18) (Average Pace:1:21)
Set2: 2000m crawl one arm drill - one arm extended - 2 left arm 2 right arm (31:35, SL:17) (Average Pace: 1:35)
Set3: 20x25m crawl int:21.5" (avg:18.5")
50m crawl easy

Notes: No comment!

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Post by cottmiler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:34 am

Since your recent video explaining catchup and sprint timings, have you compared the lap times over bigger distances using different stroke timings?

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:38 am

Sprint timing is always better and faster in all distances but hard to maintain over the distances 200m. Instead of this i am using mixed(hybrid) timing, 2 arms sprint + 1 arm catchup(not full catchup but we may call it front quadrant).

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:43 am

you may see my hybrid stroke timing in the below videos (here my pace is around 1:19-1:20):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIQi6U7FqtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYq81mXgJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-YD0Sx0Yk0

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Post by SA on Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:32 am

The whole package is firmly in stage 3 Very Happy . Looking like a very nice and powerfull working machine as a whole. Do you have flexible knees?
That upkick with the overstretched knee looks very streamlined and effective.
You seem to use that endpush like pushing off a wall to give more power to your extension at the front.
Thats a sort of connection you dont see that often with other swimmers. Especially not the uumph at the front types.
Every style has its pos and neg. What is added on one end probably is lost somewhere else. The available energy is limited.
The extra bended elbow is probably a good strategy to still get traction while not loading the shoulder too much at the front/middle.
I hope you feel race ready bom

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:51 am

I have poor leg, arm and spine flexibility and dont care about that so much, because working on flexibility has never made me faster in my previous years, waste of time...

My left arm stronger than right but had an operation fromleft shoulder 5 years ago, so that sometimes having a hitch while throwing the left arm. And right arm has insufficient push back due to its weakness in comparison to left backend push.

Anyway, this will not be the last race, every race is an experience and a way to recognize and understand our weaknesses. I feel ready for this.  Very Happy

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:03 am

Also my strong left arm is clumsier than the right, so right arm is waiting for the left to finish its movement, and sometimes drops the elbow while waiting, this results in insufficient right arm pull - there is no solution to correct this.

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Post by cottmiler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:11 am

There is. Practise correct movement slowly until the body learns it.

That,s what drives me nuts, trying to get the perfect action.

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:29 am

You are mistaken; In slow motion body already can do the correct movements, but in race pace body works differently due to many factors. Look at Janet Evan's stroke, in slow speed she looks very smooth and symetcial but in the races she is swimming helter-skelter.

So decide: what is your goal, do you want to seem elegant or be fast?

My smooth but slow technique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98Lv2rIu7c
https://youtu.be/UWqJ2Kc8ixc


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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:33 am

You can easily see the difference between 2 videos:
race pace (technique in hard conditions - helter-skelter) style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIQi6U7FqtA
slow pace elegant(smooth) style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98Lv2rIu7c
https://youtu.be/UWqJ2Kc8ixc

1st one makes you win medals.
2nd one makes you attract girls.

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:39 am

On the other hand, as I wrote above my 2 sides(left-right) have different anatomies, it cannot be equalized by working in slow motions, because the case of the car is the same case, cant transform fiat car to bmw car. All I can do will be training harder and becoming faster.

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Re: Nightcrawler's Journey to World Masters Swimming Championships 2017

Post by nightcrawler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:53 am

14.07.2017 - 4600m - Morning Session
50m crawl easy
Set1: 2000m crawl with pullbuoy+paddles (27:06, 1st 1000m split time: 13:36, SPL:17-18) (Average Pace:1:21)
Set2: 2000m crawl one arm drill - one arm extended - 2 left arm 2 right arm (31:48, SL:17) (Average Pace: 1:35)
Set3: 20x25m crawl int:22" (avg:18")
50m crawl easy

Notes: No comments.
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***** Some underwater videos for SA and Cottmiler  Very Happy  *****

I the below videos the pace is around 1:22, which is my all day pace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke8-oiIOibc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5q7ApWJFIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvZc-9ECmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7IUuJfXZpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRTwpzI8bkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAMsrVFVAwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp4eG2n30MI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oms0EcL898o


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Post by cottmiler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:17 am

I looked through those and the stroke is plenty symmetrical.

One video moved onto some Unco (1 arm drill, one arm by side) and I didn't think it was as good as it should be.

Have a look at the video on my Unco - BBS thread.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:37 am

By saying it was not good as it should be what do you mean? Which part?

In BBS thrad in the videos guys breathing from one side, but i m breathing from both sides while doing the drill:
https://youtu.be/ft_W9XarO4U


may be this was the difference

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Post by cottmiler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:43 am

In BBS thread, I don't mean bilateral. That is easy as most of the time the head will be looking down. I mean that the head rotates with the body every time and breathes every time.

Your Unco looks like the legs overpower the action. Try doing it with an ankle band!

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:06 am

In the open water rotation is not working, throwing the arms and swinging is better in choppy water. Budapest Balaton lake is a sailing center, there is always wind ther and the water will be a bit wavy i guess.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:13 am

I think rotstion requires a certain level of core fitness for triggering hips, scapular, lats, legs and this fitness level cannot be achived just by doing drills in the water itself.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:37 am

nightcrawler wrote:In the open water rotation is not working, throwing the arms and swinging is better in choppy water. Budapest Balaton lake is a sailing center, there is always wind ther and the water will be a bit wavy i guess.

... So once you get used to smthng it is hard to get rid of it.

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Post by nightcrawler on Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:00 pm

14.07.2017 - 1000m - Lunch Time Session
A jump start 1000m descending by 200m:
50m 0:45 (200Pace:3:00, 100Pace:1:30, AvgPace:1:30)
100m 1:29 (200Pace:2:58, 100Pace:1:29, AvgPace:1:29)
150m 2:13 (200Pace:2:56, 100Pace:1:29, AvgPace:1:29)
400m 5:49 (200Pace:2:53, 100Pace:1:26, AvgPace:1:27)
600m 8:39 (200Pace:2:50, 100Pace:1:25, AvgPace:1:26)
800m 11:27 (200Pace:2:48, 100Pace:1:24,  AvgPace:1:25)
1000m 14:13 (200Pace:2:46, 100Pace:1:23, AvgPace:1:25)

First 500m : 7:14
Second 500m: 6:59

Critical Swim Speed (CSS): 1:23/100m

Notes: My friend took my splits. After morning session's fatigue i m happy with the result.


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Post by nightcrawler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:07 am

17.07.2017 - SCM 4700m - Morning Session 6:30-7:40

50m crawl easy

Set1: 2000m crawl with pullbuoy+paddles (27:26, 1st 1000m split time: 13:42, SPL:17-18) (Average Pace:1:22)

50m crawl easy

Set2: 2000m crawl one arm drill - one arm extended - 2 left arm 2 right arm (31:42, SPL:16-17) (Average Pace: 1:35)

50m crawl easy

Set3: 20x25m crawl with ankle bands int:22" (avg:18-19", SPL:19)

50m crawl easy

Notes: Set3 crawl with ankle bands was fantastic.

Have a nice week.

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Post by cottmiler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:51 am

The challenge with ankle band swimming for you now is to see how well you can do heads up polo swimming and also Unco variants.

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Post by nightcrawler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:04 pm

At lunch time I will go to the pool and test the bands drill again...

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Post by nightcrawler on Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:30 pm

17.07.2017 - Lunch Time Session - SCM 1000m Time Trial - "Ankles Tied With Bands"

50m lap splits:

1. 00:41.15
2. 00:42.06
3. 00:41.82
4. 00:42.56
5. 00:42.45
6. 00:42.44
7. 00:42.33
8. 00:42.24
9. 00:42.21
10. 00:42.38 (500m split 7:02)
11. 00:41.09
12. 00:42.59
13. 00:41.62
14. 00:42.39
15. 00:42.32
16. 00:41.84
17. 00:42.40
18. 00:42.01
19. 00:41.36
20. 00:40.80 (Total Time: 14:01)



Notes: My colleague sat near by the pool and took my lap splits. I am happy with the result, with the 5K morning workout's fatigue the time and the splits are quite satisfactory in terms of my capacity.
I was quite comfortable while swimming, heart rate didnt raise over 140, it was really fantastic to see this result. I believe that without ankle bands I can sustain sub 7 minutes per each 500m (sub 42 minute) for the 3K FINA MAsters World Championships.

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Post by Mike A on Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:44 pm

Wow, that's impressive!
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Re: Nightcrawler's Journey to World Masters Swimming Championships 2017

Post by nightcrawler on Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:14 am

Today's session:

18.07.2017 - SCM 4700m - Morning session 6:30-7:40 - Swam under the rain

50m crawl easy

Set1: 2000m crawl with pullbuoy+paddles (26:58, 1st 1000m split time: 13:37, SPL:17-18) (Average Pace:1:21)  FINALLY i saw 26 minutes!!! Very Happy

50m crawl easy

Set2: 2000m crawl one arm drill - one arm extended - 2 left arm 2 right arm (31:57, SPL:16-17) (Average Pace: 1:36)

50m crawl easy

Set3: 20x25m crawl with ankle bands int:22" (avg:19")

50m crawl easy

Notes: FINALLY i saw 26 minutes!!! Very Happy

I am obsessed with that 2000m, i wont rest in peace until I swim 26:40.

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