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Shinjis transformation

Post by SA on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:35 pm

Where does it end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSDh7fAsMhc

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Post by nightcrawler on Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:23 am

https://youtu.be/3nQgr-_yYQ4

they are perfect swimmers, vote them Very Happy

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Post by SA on Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:15 am

He has the same stupid back end push as you do Very Happy . Shinji releases ridiculously early as a contrast.
At his fastest pace Terry starts to swim only with the arms. I wonder if having such tight shoulders inhibits the possibility to really hook up with the body to your paddle upfront.

Nice footage, never seen it.

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Post by s.sciame on Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:06 pm

SA wrote:Where does it end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSDh7fAsMhc

Are you curious too? Smile I like this transformation and was curious to know the latest news so I tried to take a glance at his blog:

https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://swimlikeshinji.blogspot.com/&prev=search

It seems to me that he more or less reverted to the same old stuff Sad

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Post by nightcrawler on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:39 am

SA wrote:He has the same stupid back end push as you do Very Happy . Shinji releases ridiculously early as a contrast.
At his fastest pace Terry starts to swim only with the arms. I wonder if having such tight shoulders inhibits the possibility to really hook up with the body to your paddle upfront.

Nice footage, never seen it.

Elite swimmers do back end push, and newcomers/post learners cant understand why they are doing that Very Happy

see 1:25 on the below video:
https://youtu.be/3_BUeHB1dm4

see 2:33 on the below video:
https://youtu.be/SONx52cyltI

That back end push is the exact indicator of efficient and powerful pulling by the help of not only the hip but also the whole body roll(rotation).

So SA, if you continue resisting like this, you will never learn Terry's record breaking technique Very Happy

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Post by cottmiler on Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:39 am

You tell'em, NC!

(You let them know who is boss around here!)

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Post by Mike A on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:53 pm

Does anyone know if Shinji's done any more open water swimming? I recall he DNFed at Rottnest a few years ago. I think SS Paul had a chat with him after that about OW swimming etc. I wonder how far it is possible to progress in OW swimming whilst retaining the "TI cult" mindset?
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Post by SA on Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:17 am

So SA, if you continue resisting like this, you will never learn Terry's record breaking technique wrote:So S

Oh dear, you frighten me Smile

I have read some stuff from Terry that he didnt like this style from him himself, but he was unable to get rid of it. He has no front traction, so he has to squeeze as much out of the back as possible.(my explanation)
He teaches himself not to push all the way to the end  :old fashined technique: as he says.
I have no clear opinion about it. Some have more ooopmh at the front, some spread it more over the whole length. Nathan Adrians style isnt extreme I think. Your style is pretty extreme in my opinion, but its not that important I guess.

Shinji has his gracefull style, and his `keep the body warm` open water style.
That way he can sell both styles.
His open water style looks still very much at prototype stage, but there is something evolving underneath.

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Post by SA on Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:48 am

NC, people who can do EVF have usually spent so much umph at the front that there is not much  left for the back.
Terry is the opposite (and he has learnt it that way).
Since most people cant do EVF, perhaps its better for them to have some more umpf at the back.

UMP at the front for those with EVF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMFxYDPkqs&list=PL09B823E9EE9A22FB&index=5
(she talks crap at 43 sec, you can apply a lot of power at the diagonal insweep section of the S pull)

Umph at the front
pvdh (Not much rear water thrown up)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzlmEkw5vM0
kpn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bPvk0paWcg

Umph everywhere
Pal joensen (pressure everywhere from front to back. No extreme EVF,very good shoulder reach.  He  starts pressing early anyway.He has to use those agressive kicks to stay balanced.The guy is an animal.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRj8q7hlWjs

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Post by s.sciame on Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:03 pm

Umph at the rear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQmM0LIuWa8

Also look from 4:35 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVC42uR-RyU

The final part of the pull (ie the push action) is where I believe he does his best job. At the front he is not perfect, no EVF, also a bit of a dropped elbow (he leads the pull with the elbow, forearm not vertical), but at the rear his hand presses water back perfectly.

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Post by nightcrawler on Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:04 pm

I also can add thst Terry hasnt got proper hand exit and hand entry. His hand enters the water quite near to his head, he is supporting that thanks to close hand entry hand screws the water and reduces drag. I dont agree this, neither in the pool nor in open water near hand entry slows us down due to fatigue, because extending inside the water creates more pain in the shoulders and chest muscles. On the other hand by doing near hand entry he deeps his hand down into the water, so that looses high elbow catch ability, also catches less front water. That's why he has not powerful front traction.

He tries to do2bk, but he is actually doing 4bk. 2bk means one leg is up the other leg is down wheras his kick is one leg up and down the other is sldo up and down. In other words for each arm cycle he is doing pat pat-pat pat instead of pat pat.

With inproper kick timing and weak front traction he tries to compansate the weakness with harsh push back and this results in late recovery.

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